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		<title>By: filthy shudra</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>filthy shudra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 01:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shanti bhen,
yes there is much that a person can take benefit from the BKs. One criticism that some of us have with them is the way they use what someone finds useful as leverage, to convince them of &quot;buying the package&quot; - convincing them that you can&#039;t have one part without the other, or that they  are &quot;the only shop in town&quot; -  to use their own phrase from the murli.

Take what you need, but then move on, don&#039;t be caught by the honey trap. Even those who move on without becoming overly &quot;disgruntled&quot; often feel they stayed much too long with the BKs, because the culture and their teachings say those who leave are spiritual failures.

They will say otherwise to your face if you ask them, but that is PR, just listen to what is said in the murli or the classes, creating spiritual caste system, hierarchy and elitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shanti bhen,<br />
yes there is much that a person can take benefit from the BKs. One criticism that some of us have with them is the way they use what someone finds useful as leverage, to convince them of &#8220;buying the package&#8221; &#8211; convincing them that you can&#8217;t have one part without the other, or that they  are &#8220;the only shop in town&#8221; &#8211;  to use their own phrase from the murli.</p>
<p>Take what you need, but then move on, don&#8217;t be caught by the honey trap. Even those who move on without becoming overly &#8220;disgruntled&#8221; often feel they stayed much too long with the BKs, because the culture and their teachings say those who leave are spiritual failures.</p>
<p>They will say otherwise to your face if you ask them, but that is PR, just listen to what is said in the murli or the classes, creating spiritual caste system, hierarchy and elitism.</p>
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		<title>By: shantibhen</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-225</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i attended bk classes and they have been a great help to me.  i never felt coerced, duped, or deceived.i think this site is being run by a group of disgruntled ex-bks. every organization, i would say is not perfect. i keep my faith in God...and my classes at bkwsu have helped strengthen my faith in Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i attended bk classes and they have been a great help to me.  i never felt coerced, duped, or deceived.i think this site is being run by a group of disgruntled ex-bks. every organization, i would say is not perfect. i keep my faith in God&#8230;and my classes at bkwsu have helped strengthen my faith in Him.</p>
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		<title>By: JK - Married to daughter of BK</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>JK - Married to daughter of BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chad

There are some ultimate truths of this world. There are some things that are true as we can observe them, test them and prove them. Over the last 200 years, humans have made huge advancements into the understanding of biology, chemistry, and ultimately physics. The understanding and use of these laws have sent man to the moon, and built the modern world.

One very true concept in chemistry is something called isotopes and radioactive decay. some elements* have a few different versions of themselves, and some of these versions are radioactive (meaning some of the element will disappear at a measurable rate). Halflife measures the time it takes for the anount of element to be halved. Carbon has a radioactive version called Carbon 14. When carbon is 5,730 years old, the amount of Carbon 14 is halved. we can use this to date items between 50,000 and 60,000 years old, and therefore can be very confident in that things in the earth are older than 5000 years. Combined with what we know about the formation of continents, natural wonders like the grand canyon (which must have taken a long time and cannot possible repeat), the BK theory of cycles is the truest failing of the philosophy.

So what can  you take?? Well the general life philosophies (that are similar to all religions) including selflessness, simple living, kindness, (though interestingly not charity) are all good, but basically only if you take just the cream of the concepts. However, there are a large number of other issues. They teach you that some are better than others, and can convince you that even your family are not good enough souls to even cook for you. They encourage you to become dependent on them, and hence unable to function normally without them. this leaves people with no choice but to conform.

The religion was formed using Human eyes (Lakhraj), basic hindu philosophies, and a number of strange ideas as written about on this site. There are huge inconsistencies in the theories like the random late appearence of Shiv (also the fact that Dada Lekraj is also refered to as shiv baba but apparently not worshipped). The dates for the end of the world have changed and are now conviniently &quot;Some point in the future&quot;.

The religion is run by power hungry people, who now try just to promote their religion and increase the size of their bank accounts (by members leaving money in their wills and giving time). They hide core beliefs from the public and put a face of peace over their teachings. (they interestingly enjoy a rather lavish lifestyle and experience a sense of worship from the followers)

My advice would be steer clear. Look at Bhudism, hinduism, or any other major religion. They all teach basically the same thing so long as you dont get to carried away with the traditions. BK just forces you with the threat of you dying soon and being chucked at the bottom of the &quot;soul&quot; pile unless you do as you&#039;re told.

Good luck in whatever you choose to do. Read this site thouroughly though..and always ask questions.


JK

*(real elements in the periodic table, not &quot;hindu&quot; elements of fire (which is oxidation), water (which is a compound of hydrogen and oxygen), earth (which includes all sorts), air (mixture of gases), sky (mainly a vacuum). Also, BK&#039;s teach that the earth always was, is and always will be.We know that this is not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chad</p>
<p>There are some ultimate truths of this world. There are some things that are true as we can observe them, test them and prove them. Over the last 200 years, humans have made huge advancements into the understanding of biology, chemistry, and ultimately physics. The understanding and use of these laws have sent man to the moon, and built the modern world.</p>
<p>One very true concept in chemistry is something called isotopes and radioactive decay. some elements* have a few different versions of themselves, and some of these versions are radioactive (meaning some of the element will disappear at a measurable rate). Halflife measures the time it takes for the anount of element to be halved. Carbon has a radioactive version called Carbon 14. When carbon is 5,730 years old, the amount of Carbon 14 is halved. we can use this to date items between 50,000 and 60,000 years old, and therefore can be very confident in that things in the earth are older than 5000 years. Combined with what we know about the formation of continents, natural wonders like the grand canyon (which must have taken a long time and cannot possible repeat), the BK theory of cycles is the truest failing of the philosophy.</p>
<p>So what can  you take?? Well the general life philosophies (that are similar to all religions) including selflessness, simple living, kindness, (though interestingly not charity) are all good, but basically only if you take just the cream of the concepts. However, there are a large number of other issues. They teach you that some are better than others, and can convince you that even your family are not good enough souls to even cook for you. They encourage you to become dependent on them, and hence unable to function normally without them. this leaves people with no choice but to conform.</p>
<p>The religion was formed using Human eyes (Lakhraj), basic hindu philosophies, and a number of strange ideas as written about on this site. There are huge inconsistencies in the theories like the random late appearence of Shiv (also the fact that Dada Lekraj is also refered to as shiv baba but apparently not worshipped). The dates for the end of the world have changed and are now conviniently &#8220;Some point in the future&#8221;.</p>
<p>The religion is run by power hungry people, who now try just to promote their religion and increase the size of their bank accounts (by members leaving money in their wills and giving time). They hide core beliefs from the public and put a face of peace over their teachings. (they interestingly enjoy a rather lavish lifestyle and experience a sense of worship from the followers)</p>
<p>My advice would be steer clear. Look at Bhudism, hinduism, or any other major religion. They all teach basically the same thing so long as you dont get to carried away with the traditions. BK just forces you with the threat of you dying soon and being chucked at the bottom of the &#8220;soul&#8221; pile unless you do as you&#8217;re told.</p>
<p>Good luck in whatever you choose to do. Read this site thouroughly though..and always ask questions.</p>
<p>JK</p>
<p>*(real elements in the periodic table, not &#8220;hindu&#8221; elements of fire (which is oxidation), water (which is a compound of hydrogen and oxygen), earth (which includes all sorts), air (mixture of gases), sky (mainly a vacuum). Also, BK&#8217;s teach that the earth always was, is and always will be.We know that this is not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad,

I agree with Filthy, an as an ex-BK myself, it is possible to touch your potential as a person without surrendering yourself to others. To subsume oneself to the will of another is the tradition of armies, churches, and gurus.

The healthiest BKs are the ones who never get sucked into the habit of obedience. It is the unhealthy ones who tend to get drawn toward dependencies and self-harming denial.

Some excellent ex-BK stories can be found at http://xbkinfo.com

As far as the 5000 year cycle goes, it&#039;s a story like many others. The evidence doesn&#039;t support it. As far as time, history and dating, it&#039;s not the case (as BKs would tell it) that millions of educated and inquistive scientists are deluded in a shared trance.

The shared trance belongs to the BKs. Like many relationships, it can seem like sweet honey for years before turning sour. To be honest, shared trances are pretty much everywhere.

At present I would say that physical awareness of body and sensation is a grounding reality that helps me to avoid being sucked into others&#039; trances.

The BK community may seem nourishing to you right now. They can be. Along with Filthy, I would caution you that your inner voice, with its hopes, dreams, pains and doubts, will always be truer to you than any outside system of beliefs or values could ever be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad,</p>
<p>I agree with Filthy, an as an ex-BK myself, it is possible to touch your potential as a person without surrendering yourself to others. To subsume oneself to the will of another is the tradition of armies, churches, and gurus.</p>
<p>The healthiest BKs are the ones who never get sucked into the habit of obedience. It is the unhealthy ones who tend to get drawn toward dependencies and self-harming denial.</p>
<p>Some excellent ex-BK stories can be found at <a href="http://xbkinfo.com" rel="nofollow">http://xbkinfo.com</a></p>
<p>As far as the 5000 year cycle goes, it&#8217;s a story like many others. The evidence doesn&#8217;t support it. As far as time, history and dating, it&#8217;s not the case (as BKs would tell it) that millions of educated and inquistive scientists are deluded in a shared trance.</p>
<p>The shared trance belongs to the BKs. Like many relationships, it can seem like sweet honey for years before turning sour. To be honest, shared trances are pretty much everywhere.</p>
<p>At present I would say that physical awareness of body and sensation is a grounding reality that helps me to avoid being sucked into others&#8217; trances.</p>
<p>The BK community may seem nourishing to you right now. They can be. Along with Filthy, I would caution you that your inner voice, with its hopes, dreams, pains and doubts, will always be truer to you than any outside system of beliefs or values could ever be.</p>
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		<title>By: filthy shudra</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>filthy shudra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chad

The BK Raj Yoga technique can be very beneficial at first, especially for people who need to get their act together.

However there is a lot more to being a committed BK than first meets the eye, and the good stuff becomes quickly outweighed by the price demanded later. The good news is, unlike what their murli says, they are not the only shop in town.

My advice is to avoid any group that is implying  you need to surrender or considers itself elite, and find paths that encourage your autonomy and individuality while teaching goodness of common humanity.

Try to see objectively and not just what you want to see. Maintain broad horizons- investigate and practice wholistically - for body, heart and mind - i.e physical activity, emotional nurture and philosophical/psychological understanding. BKs will shut this down and proclaim their &quot;god&quot; is the only truth and all normal human knowledge is impure.

Take care of yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chad</p>
<p>The BK Raj Yoga technique can be very beneficial at first, especially for people who need to get their act together.</p>
<p>However there is a lot more to being a committed BK than first meets the eye, and the good stuff becomes quickly outweighed by the price demanded later. The good news is, unlike what their murli says, they are not the only shop in town.</p>
<p>My advice is to avoid any group that is implying  you need to surrender or considers itself elite, and find paths that encourage your autonomy and individuality while teaching goodness of common humanity.</p>
<p>Try to see objectively and not just what you want to see. Maintain broad horizons- investigate and practice wholistically &#8211; for body, heart and mind &#8211; i.e physical activity, emotional nurture and philosophical/psychological understanding. BKs will shut this down and proclaim their &#8220;god&#8221; is the only truth and all normal human knowledge is impure.</p>
<p>Take care of yourself</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 00:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I am currently attending classes and murli&#039;s at a BK centre here in Canada. I value alot of the psychological teachings that do root out alot of negative behaviours, the needless attachments, negative influence my own mind can have on myself. I have some serious issues with the whole cycle of time and 5000 years repeating identically. Can someone tell me with some irrefutable scientific proof how this can or cannot be. I&#039;m on the verge of committing myself to this organization because I came into it a depressed and broken soul and now have more confidance than I ever have. I feel it has made a genuinely positive improvement to my life but struggle with some of the core beliefs... and then I read a site like this which rocks my faith and has me questioning what I&#039;m doing to myself. Can I take some and not all? Is there even any truth to self-realisation? I joined looking for enlightenment and now I&#039;m confused....
little help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am currently attending classes and murli&#8217;s at a BK centre here in Canada. I value alot of the psychological teachings that do root out alot of negative behaviours, the needless attachments, negative influence my own mind can have on myself. I have some serious issues with the whole cycle of time and 5000 years repeating identically. Can someone tell me with some irrefutable scientific proof how this can or cannot be. I&#8217;m on the verge of committing myself to this organization because I came into it a depressed and broken soul and now have more confidance than I ever have. I feel it has made a genuinely positive improvement to my life but struggle with some of the core beliefs&#8230; and then I read a site like this which rocks my faith and has me questioning what I&#8217;m doing to myself. Can I take some and not all? Is there even any truth to self-realisation? I joined looking for enlightenment and now I&#8217;m confused&#8230;.<br />
little help!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments.I might add that many years later in a different location I went to an open meeting and asked a few questions of one of the leaders,an Indian lady.I do not now remember the question, nor the answer.I do remember that I continued to question her and it was obvious to me that she surrounded herself with an impenetrable air of spiritual superiority in relation to me.Ultimately she actually patted me on the head implying as she did so that{there,there} one day when I was grown up I would understand such deep matters.I thought that she was outrageously self deluded and was torn for a moment between confronting her patronisation of me or laughing outright in her face at the absurdity of it.In the end I did neither , concluding that this was more than just a quirk on the part of one person,rather something that reflected a sample of the underlying values of the organisation.I was also absolutely certain that any confrontation{no matter how mild} would ultimately only serve for such an individual to confirm the truth and worth of Brahma Kumaris and my lack of truth and worth.In short any comment that I made would hold up no mirror to what I saw plainly,instead be proof of my lack of light and desperate materialism.Such attitudes are circular,self serving and ultimately self deceptive.How sad that peace should be bought at such a price and yet prove attractive to some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments.I might add that many years later in a different location I went to an open meeting and asked a few questions of one of the leaders,an Indian lady.I do not now remember the question, nor the answer.I do remember that I continued to question her and it was obvious to me that she surrounded herself with an impenetrable air of spiritual superiority in relation to me.Ultimately she actually patted me on the head implying as she did so that{there,there} one day when I was grown up I would understand such deep matters.I thought that she was outrageously self deluded and was torn for a moment between confronting her patronisation of me or laughing outright in her face at the absurdity of it.In the end I did neither , concluding that this was more than just a quirk on the part of one person,rather something that reflected a sample of the underlying values of the organisation.I was also absolutely certain that any confrontation{no matter how mild} would ultimately only serve for such an individual to confirm the truth and worth of Brahma Kumaris and my lack of truth and worth.In short any comment that I made would hold up no mirror to what I saw plainly,instead be proof of my lack of light and desperate materialism.Such attitudes are circular,self serving and ultimately self deceptive.How sad that peace should be bought at such a price and yet prove attractive to some.</p>
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		<title>By: editor</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are many more of us who wish we had observed what you did and stayed away! Interesting observation that it is totally wrong to be a male - psychological castration and feminisation of all males who are obviously only male because of past - and very bad - karma. Twisted to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are many more of us who wish we had observed what you did and stayed away! Interesting observation that it is totally wrong to be a male &#8211; psychological castration and feminisation of all males who are obviously only male because of past &#8211; and very bad &#8211; karma. Twisted to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to say that I perceived from the first moment I met Brama Kumaris back in the 80s that there was a strange subterranean current of deception.I went to an introduction to meditation meeting in London and came away quite perturbed by the atmosphere and the strong sense that I was being misled by what I was being told and it was different from what I observed.The few males I met seemed to be emotional castrates and not so much in touch with their feminine side so much as completely identified with it.I had the distinct impression that it was wrong to be male in this organisation and that maleness had no good inherent in it.As a psychotherapist specialising in hypnosis I noted the hypnotic like induction{or guidance} we had in sampling meditation.I left thinking that there seemed to be nice but duped people there but that as an organisation I felt deeply uneasy about it.To coin a phrase I would not trust this organisation an inch.Everything I have subsequently learnt over the years has confirmed by first and powerful perceptions about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to say that I perceived from the first moment I met Brama Kumaris back in the 80s that there was a strange subterranean current of deception.I went to an introduction to meditation meeting in London and came away quite perturbed by the atmosphere and the strong sense that I was being misled by what I was being told and it was different from what I observed.The few males I met seemed to be emotional castrates and not so much in touch with their feminine side so much as completely identified with it.I had the distinct impression that it was wrong to be male in this organisation and that maleness had no good inherent in it.As a psychotherapist specialising in hypnosis I noted the hypnotic like induction{or guidance} we had in sampling meditation.I left thinking that there seemed to be nice but duped people there but that as an organisation I felt deeply uneasy about it.To coin a phrase I would not trust this organisation an inch.Everything I have subsequently learnt over the years has confirmed by first and powerful perceptions about it.</p>
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		<title>By: brahmakumaris.info</title>
		<link>http://bkwsuwatch.com/about/core-beliefs/#comment-217</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brahma Kumaris do not teach &quot;Raja Yoga&quot;, an ancient and traditional spiritual path.

Typically of their deceit, the Brahma Kumaris teach their own unique practise, based on spiritualism, which has its roots no further back than the 1950s when they first introduce the concept of &quot;God Shiva&quot; entering into, possessing and speaking through their founder and medium Lekhraj Kripalani.

It is to this &quot;spirit&quot; that the Brahma Kumaris encourage their followers to surrender their minds, bodies and wealth. It is this practise which they call &quot;Rajyoga&quot; or &quot;Raja Yoga&quot;.

The Brahma Kumaris are not Hindu. They use the language and some outward forms of Hinduism in order to promote entirely different, spiritualist beliefs. Increasingly, these beliefs are being dressed in New Age or executive coaching type language in order to attract new individuals.

However, underneath these, the core beliefs as presented in the channeled messages called the Murlis, which they protect secretively, remain relatively unchanged ... unaccountable historical revisions aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brahma Kumaris do not teach &#8220;Raja Yoga&#8221;, an ancient and traditional spiritual path.</p>
<p>Typically of their deceit, the Brahma Kumaris teach their own unique practise, based on spiritualism, which has its roots no further back than the 1950s when they first introduce the concept of &#8220;God Shiva&#8221; entering into, possessing and speaking through their founder and medium Lekhraj Kripalani.</p>
<p>It is to this &#8220;spirit&#8221; that the Brahma Kumaris encourage their followers to surrender their minds, bodies and wealth. It is this practise which they call &#8220;Rajyoga&#8221; or &#8220;Raja Yoga&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Brahma Kumaris are not Hindu. They use the language and some outward forms of Hinduism in order to promote entirely different, spiritualist beliefs. Increasingly, these beliefs are being dressed in New Age or executive coaching type language in order to attract new individuals.</p>
<p>However, underneath these, the core beliefs as presented in the channeled messages called the Murlis, which they protect secretively, remain relatively unchanged &#8230; unaccountable historical revisions aside.</p>
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