I can hear the desperation in and behind your words, and I feel for you. I’m sure that you have more strength than you imagine. Please get some counseling. You do need support of someone, at least to talk to, be appreciated and understood.

Here is a page worth taking five minutes of your time to read if you are thinking of committing suicide.

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/index.html

The author says that you can manage if you can (1) increase your coping resources or (2) reduce your pain, and she talks about ways you might do that, to bring your pain to a level you can tolerate, so that your life can be about you, rather than about the pain you are now feeling.

She says that many people have been in a painful situation, considering suicide as you are, and have found help. So please be open to consider that maybe you, too, may be able to find help to get out of the desperation in which you currently find yourself.

You have my sympathy and prayers. I have only just seen this message, would have written earlier if I had known.

I have a scientific background and as such it has always been in my nature to question things I hear.

You must be aware that the CAD programme of Dr Gupta is working Miracles. This is science … Tangible proofs.

As for the dinosaurs stuffs, it’s mere speculations. In the Eternal world drama, explanations have been given but it does not fit perfectly.

As for extinction it has happened. Have you heard of the Dodo? The bird that got extinct in the 1600′s in Mauritius. It is a fact not artifact! We r not talking of stuffs that happened thousands of years ago. Then how on earth will it come back? It is also mentioned in the Murli that animals are peaceful in Satyug. I guess it implies either Lions will be extinct or they will be Veg!

My landmark has never been the versions I heard at the centre but I had to cross check from various sources (including those which are not reliable).

In the Murli, it is said that peacocks are pure in that they dance, a liquid flows from a gland near its eyes … and … FERTILISATION occurs! Would you believe that!

Well, as I am happy I guess you too are.

Wish you to take the very best out of life and keep shining.

I’ve read some of your other responses in my attempt to find the below to find out that you had practices meditation with the bk’s for a long time before choosing your own way. So I don’t mean to be patronising with the below, it’s only in reference to what I said I would do as above. I was really really pleased to read that you lead your life the way you wish to and carry forward the positive things you’ve taken from the bk’s and are grateful for that. I belive that being happy is most important thing.

This was under end of the word someting or other as a reply to another post:

Deepak Reply:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

- 5,000 year cycle is scientifically impossible
God and science never go together. Science even dont support what al religions say. So, this point doesnt hold good.

- guy leckhraj can never be God its an insult to God
Yes, no BK said guy leckhraj is God. Who told you this ???
leckhraj is said to be pure soul.
God is only one and thats what all religion and even BK say. It is Shiva. Might be different names by different religion.

- why does he teach people not to get married
BKs dont say to not get married. They say to live with peace n purity and have better family life.

- marriage has been instituted by God Himself who created woman to be the companion of man
Thats right. Even Shri Krishna and Shri Radha were married, but they were very pure. So idea is to have pure life.
But in satyug child are born by aatmik shakti and no impurity.

- finally Satyug will never come ….its scientifically impossible for a new world to get established out of this one
Even bhagwat geeta says, God comes again n again whenever whole world degrades and create pure world.
Muslims say it to be Allah ka bagecha
Christians call it heaven.
so satyug is called a yug of truth, and truth is always truth.

- how can you explain the existence of dinausaurs on earth long ago
No one has seen dinasaur. It is only their skeleton.
When earth transforms from this impure world to pure. the earth’s axis with relocate, as even scientist predict now. The plates and high temperature inside earth will make huge shapes of bones and that is called as dinosaur.

- last one from my side
the temples and all religious places are kept so clean when they have just symbolic figures of devi-devta.
when the actual devi-devta have to come on earth, the earth has to be clean, pure and beautiful.

It always needs external energy to move from low to high. Today we are degraded humans and have to move to a pure, peaceful world, so some external element, what we call God in all religions has to come to give us power.

If you truely believe I am enculted as you say and wish to ‘help’ me realise it then why are you attacking me…I am an adult. I am capable of choosing things for myself.
If I’m making a huge mistake, then it’s MY mistake to make. I’m walking eyes wide open, I know that everything is not perfect and that there are a lot of misguided teachers who say don’t study further for example. even I’ve been told that and I ignored it. You know why….because I have an intellect. And I used it!!!!

A spiritual teacher only has the right to teach spirituality. Their opinion on other aspects of life are natuarally based on their own opinions which are exactly that…opinions. They are not careers advisors. That’s what I have told several senior teachers when they said that to me probably 10 years ago now. I failed my A’level, (because I couldn’t be bothered to revise!), and decided my only option was to surrender. I went to Dadi Janki and she told me she won’t let me and that is a silly reason to surrender (which it is, I will really immature then!) and that I should go and do re-takes and then go to uni. That’s what I did. I am still not surrendered and I probably never will be, because I don’t want to. Many still say that (‘don’t do further studies…’) but it’s not their place to. It’s wrong I know and no, it doesn’t make it right but the first lesson you learn is that you are the master….so be a master, not a sheep who follows!

I’ve always had loads of questions and still do. It’s your right to have the answers you want, someone on another page put up a really good explanation to your question (re dinasaurs), I’ll put the link up/copy & paste it. You may not actually care by this point by the sound of things but you have the right to your answer, if you want it. When I read it it was put so clearly that it’s the best way of answering it.

I think it’s a real shame that so many people who are bk’s still behave that way and contradict what they talk about. I consider myself lucky as the centre I go to is great and the kinds of things you’ve written about don’t really happen. We question everything and get answers. That’s why I keep going, because I get what I need.

I find it shocking that someone has threatened you, don’t ignore it. My advice would be to address it asap….no-one has the right to do that not should they be doing it in the first place. It’s those people who give the rest of us a bad name. And the whole numberplate thing lol!!! There are so many bk’s who really haven’t understood what it means to be bk. If the people in centre are surrendered they should not be wasting money on a private numberplate. If it was at my centre I would’ve told them so.

As for extiction…it doesn’t happen!!!!! I agree how can humanity resurface from that, it can’t, it’s impossible.

I’m sorry that your view is sceptical because of a few ‘astronauts’ who give generic answers to everything and never get to the point (yes I hate that too) but you clearly ended up at the wrong centre around he wrong people. And by wrong I don’t mean bk’s, I mean people who aren’t clued up on what they should and are supposed to know.

If you were not happy, which I’m guessing you weren’t, you did the right thing to stop going. I hope that you are much happier now.

I am aware that lots of people have lots of opinions and thats cool but I won’t be back on this website….too much focus on things that people apparently want nothing to do with….yet they keep talking about it!

What you say is not entirely true about not stopping to live when you are a bk. I have been personally discouraged to pursue higher studies with the excuse that the end is near while my centre just bought a new car and paid money to have a personalised immatriculation number! That would be a glorious end for the car when the well waited destruction comes!

I have recently received THREATS of not voicing out my open views to Bk’s. That is how low one can stoop but you will still say that you see only angels around you with minor defects they are trying to get rid of.

Would you believe that when asked the question about the existence of dinosaurs, the answer comes like that: kknow yourself 1st then we will discuss about it.” And of course the discussion never comes for the B.K’s have no reasonable answers to that enigma. Their gyan fail to explain many things for instance, how will an extinct species resurface in the next cycle? Evolution? They don’t believe in it.

As long as you remain naive and do not ask question (they will call that details and wastes) you will remain happy. But the truth does hurt and it better hurts now than later.

Had you not been open minded you would never have fallen prey to the well concocted philosophy (BUT not perfect in the end). Keep having an open mind (not just say you have it but check and re-check or else you will close your mind without even noticing it. And then OBSERVE AROUND YOU. There you will hear the true whispers of God.

Good luck or if you wish keep being a haji student. That will be the easiest thing to do.

Bk lifestyle is something you incorporate into your life…you don’t stop living. You continue work and remain commited to your responsibilities (husband/child) just don’t have attachement. Being detached doesn’t mean no communication etc, it’s a subtle internal detachment meaning no dependany emotionally/spirtually. Ups and downs are what makes a person who they are…if everything was always up life would become pretty boring!

I’m a BK and I live at home with my mother, father and brother. We live together, laugh, cry, eat, make fun of each other, fall out and all the rest of the things that every other family unti would go through. The difference is that we are all bk’s (because we choose to be) and we have knowledge. We look after each other and differences/fall outs are resolves in minutes rather that hours and days!

Being a BK is supposed to enrich your life not end it!!

If you are letting in in the physical sense you are doing it all wrong…..letting go is an emotional thing. That doesn’t mean you can’t be emotional or have emotions it means not getting sucked into trivial things…moving on and seeing the bigger picture. Understanding who you are (a soul) what your role is, (to play your part according to drama ie in your family circumstances) but doing so CONSCIOUSLY!! Understanding who you are is the greatest gift any human being could have. You know you are soul and all of your potential to be the embodiment of all the virtues all are inherently yours.

Bring them to the surface and use them in your life, work, relationships, contacts etc. Thgats’s what it means to lead a true brahmin life.

Running away from your responsibilities and hiding behind what you think yhe bks are about not only adds fuel to the fire that bk’s encourage that (which they shouldn’t be doing) its running away. where’s your power to face?

These stories were supposed to be an inspiration for students to renounce their lokik families and confront their karma.

If you haven’t read the page on BK history I recommend it – so much of BK folklore has been re-edited to suit the BKWSU agenda: control, control, control (or obedience, obedience, obedience – depending which side of the fence you are on.) http://bkwsuwatch.com/?page_id=29