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By whoami, September 13, 2008 @ 8:28 am
I dont understand what is so wrong with chosing to wake at 4 am for meditation. People do all sorts of things at 4 am, meditation is hardly evil. Also what so bad about the BK philosophy, they teach that we are all souls with intrinsic qualities of love, purity and benevolence..again, what is so wrong with believing this is who we really are. Regarding celibacy. Is it in the marriage contract that we must make love to our spouse? If our spouse loves us unconditionally then surely the lack of sex in a relationship is not an issue. Or is the marriage contract ´conditional¨?Regarding Duty of Care..are we not all responsable for own actions¨?can someone else really be responsible for us?
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By editor, September 14, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
I meditated at 4-00am for nearly 20 years. It was wonderful. But that was my choice, my effort and my reward. However, with regard to the BK philosophy you are being somewhat simplistic. The BKs will publicly tell you that they believe the intrinsic nature of the soul is purity and peace. Many may agree and therefore want to know more of the teachings. Privately the BKs will then teach you that they alone know who God truly is and that YOU can only know every 5,000 years – and if you don’t you will remain unfortunate forever. And the list of weird, dangerous and controlling cult beliefs goes on – they are the threat. They are also the reason we need duty of care.
Please keep in mind also that duty of care is a requirement of all major organisations in the west – for example, not permitting smoking in the workplace and other occupational health and safety obligations. The nature of those obligations will vary with the type of organisation. The Brahma Kumaris also have responsibilities as an organisation and the nature of their responsibilities is unique to it. Until now the Brahma Kumaris have denied any responsibility FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS as an organisation. This has lead to a great deal of trauma and in too ,any cases, suicide.
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A B Sagar Reply:
February 15th, 2011 at 4:17 am
We are married for 22 years and had a happy married life till 3 years ago.My wife decided to join Bramhakumaris sect 3 years ago without my knowledge and we are having a troubled relation ship ever since.My wife was loving.caring.cooperative maintaining very cordial relationship .Now .I find following MAJOR changes in her since her joining the sect:: -She has stopped going to temples,declines to participate in religious functions at home or temple(including shraddh).is not interested in any hindu festivals.She has even torn my books and notes on GITA AND UPANISHAD. -Has developed strong hatred towards me ,my father and sister and is always ANGRY and abusing. -Has even stopped sex with me unilaterally for past 3 years – she indulges in fault finding always – takes very little interest in cooking,children and always talks of living alone.In short I am leading a terrible life ever she joined bramhakumaris.Pl advise how to go about so that normal family life is restored.Should I involve her parents for counselling her.Ammaa. pl help me.Is this a common experience of persons whose spouse has joined Bramhakumaris?
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Mohith Reply:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Dude, I advise yours and her family interference but that is not going to help her, she will become more rebellious coz they will say that nobody could erase anything from their mind. If you try indulging too much into her activities then you will become insane and you will lose ur peace and then entire family peace will be lost, especially children should not get effected by this.
Give her proper attention, take her out and Fill that GAP that has created between u and her in this 3 years that made her chose BK. May be ur attention for her has started reducing over 3 years.
I have been going through the same scenarios in a different way. I tried every different ways to divert her but the problem is her family is also involved in this.But forcing her failed my attempts..But I still have hopes that one day she will realise and get out of this.
Another point that i would like to highlight is Sex. Of course sex plays an important role in every marriage, it helps in strengthening relations. Im not surprised if u are longing for it. But, honestly speaking, they are brain washed and they think that they are virgins and and sex is as sin as per their belief and sinners cannot go to heaven. In short you will have to find alternative(self)solutions to satisfy ur desires or live with it. Especially these are controlable desires.
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Peter Reply:
February 13th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Hi,
Me I know BK for the same period as your marriage, 22 years. For me too it influenced my life a lot. What you write about your wife gives me the impression that she is under a lot of strains. I suggest to have as much as patience and love for her because I think she need it. It seems that she is involved in the knowledge of the BK without understanding it fully because Shiv’ Baba’s knowledge is about love, caring, tolerance, positive thinking,… She, on the other hand seems to be negative to you. Please understand that it can be because she sees you as a tread. If she is always angry understand that she is not a true BK. BK’s are friendly, peaceful and consider anger as one of the main five vices! Tearing books appart is a sign of dark fanatism. She is a blame to our organisation. But we need to have mercy on her. Love her, that’s all you can do!
I wish you much courage and determination.
Love from Peter, Europe, Belgium
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By roshni, January 14, 2009 @ 11:37 pm
I was suddenly chosen by baba , to know about this gyan by one of my known person. After facing proposals , when things did not work out for me , got frustrated , and liked this BK’s teachings, and was with satsang for 7 n 1/2 months , with against my family wishes, who started seeing me as their enemy, as was not willing to marry accordingly, in this communalistic society!!
The person (Sumitra), name not changed, who joined me to this satsang started blackmailing me, by telling not to expose any kind of experience I had with satsang (mental torture), feel ashamed to tell satsang when people behaved like that.
What sought of gyan or satsang (thippasandra centre, blore) is providing wherein the surendered senior sister (Meena) mentally tortures with communalistic background, without leaving any proof, and also blackmails students not to tell it to others, as it is disservice! Felt very much discomfort even after with lots of patience tried adjusting with them. The lady bhagya also in gyan along with sister, behaves like that.
People who go accepting the gyan feel frustrated with such kind of their behaviour.
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By editor, January 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm
Hi Roshni. Your story is not uncommon unfortunately. There are many, many cases of families being disturbed when a family member joins the Brahma Kumaris.
And notably there is the politics and egocentric attitudes and behaviour that you find at the BK Centres – this is everywhere in the world – not just at your centre. When centre in charges behave this way is extremely unpleasant for the victims of this manipulation and abuse. It is also proof that something is wrong!
What is said in the murli is not practised by those who are in charge – this is the problem with the BK organisation and the very reason we have this website.
But the reality is that what is said in the murli about dharna can be found in many Hindu scriptures. The murli is not unique as is claimed. The knowledge in the murli is common Hinduism and Buddhism. The only “knowledge” that is unique to the murli is the weird stuff about 5,000 year repeating cycles etc.
I hope that you recognise that what you see at the centres – the attitudes and actions of the “seniors’ – is more important than the words you hear in the murli. Do not remain in denial about what you are seeing. The proof is in front of your eyes – this is not God! There is no special power that these so called yogis have – their attitude and actions are of bhogies and therefore that is what they are.
It sounds to me that you have suffered a lot because of your association with the BKWSU. There are people who have taken their own lives because of this suffering.
We strongly recommend that you take some time away from the centre and just practise your meditation at home. God is your companion anyway – why let human beings, who only say they are spiritual, destroy your love of God and goodness? You simply don’t need them or their stupidity and lies.
Your family is upset no doubt. And for good reason. The Brahma Kumaris have destroyed many families – but your family are the people who will be with you for the rest of your life. The BKs will never help you if you have problems. You can see that the Bks are the problem. And the biggest problem they will make for you is to separate you from your family.
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Peter Reply:
February 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Hi editor,
I came to know your site by a woman who leads a site in Holland (duch language site) called “atheïsm”. She sent an article of you that was posted on her site. I have to say that you wrote some wrong things. You spoke of “mediums” as though there are more ‘instruments’ for BapDada than one! That isn’t true. You name the year 1932 for the establishment of the yagya. That isn’t true either. Please stop to spread incorrect information! You ad to the confusion and so to the suffering of people! I know that you don’t want to do that. I see that you suffers from the suffering caused by the BK. I think that it is caused by what the BK itself calles maya and ravan. Ego and lust, etc. are the true causes of our suffering. It seems that you don’t understand this. But I agree with you when you say that the BK has to take more care to what they themselves call their “familymembers”. Yes, they call there teachers and students a family but indeed, they don’t behave like that. Often they behave like a dangerous cult. Everyone’s story is different. Mine is that I suffer whole my life of instability of mind. The five years before gyan I was more or less stabel in my own way but when I joined the BK I lost my stability. I again had to go to psychiatric hospitals. But what you say about suicide: well, in my case, since I had a lot of suicide attempts before gyan, gyan helped me to stay away from that. Since I believe now in the soul and in it’s imortality, what is the use of commiting suicide? You have to be born again, suffer for your deeds – the act of suicide is very dammaging to the soul, I read a lot of books of near-death-experiences and out of body experiences and they tell this too. If BK’s commit suicide that means they didn’t understand much about our knowledge! I remember the first years of my Brahminlife and there were days, maybe a whole week of murlis, daily after each other wherein Baba talked a lot of suicide. He warns us a lot of not commiting wrong acts because He knows how much we have to suffer about them!
The whole process of this life is to become adults. We have to become strong and have a lot of self-confidence. Then it doesn’t bother us anymore what teachers in charge do. They are just humans, you know. They have there weaknesses. The problem with the BK is that everyone works for free, everyone can become a teacher, can open a centre. Ok, there is some controling… Here in Europe, it’s Sister Jayanti who controles our centres, but what can she do on her own. One soul for so many centres. I forgive everyones faults and I try not to do what you writes: to worship the elders as my kings! They are just like you and me, but sure everyone will receive a status in the next birth, in the same way we received it in this birth. In this birth I came in life in a shudra (means workers)family and it caused me a lot of pain because I always wanted to be an artist. My teacher disencouraged me to go on with my artistlife. So, I stopped. But now I know it was no good to stop. I became more ill. I want to go back to the musicbusiness and want to start again as a painter but I feel that I’m to sick for it now…
Bye, I’m glad to know you!
Peter Pan
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By editor, January 17, 2009 @ 9:45 pm
And Roshni, if you haven’t read this, please do:
http://bkwsuwatch.com/?page_id=14
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By kumar, February 12, 2009 @ 3:56 am
om shanti,
my parents were amongst the first few people to join the raj yoga centre in its infant stage and because of them i had to tag along. i received my first education on raj yog was when i was 7 years old. after some time parents left the society for reasons best known to them.
i rejoined the centre in my teens coming in and out of it.there were many things and many things are still confusing. i wish if an old member of the raj yoga or a brahma kumari or a sister can put me out of my misery.
my question is, due to the knowledge aquired from the centre the members do not eat at places or people who are not in the centre. recently i went with my friends who are still members. i was suprised to see members offering cash donatios to the center
my question is;
BEFORE YOU DRAW BLOOD. WE CHECK THE BLOOD GROUP THEREFORE CORRRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. DO YOU CHECK WHETHER THE MONEY DONATED IS JUSTLY ACQUIRED, UNJUSTLY OR FROM EXPLOITATION?
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE DONATING BECAUSE THE CENTRE HAS HUGE EXPENSES BUT PLEASE PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY ON THE ABOVE MATTER BY EXPLAINING THE ABOVE MATTER. I WAS DIVORCED, SEPARATED FOR 8 YEARS BEFORE MY DIVORCE WAS GRANTED. DURING THOSE 8 YEARS I USED TO COME TO THE CENTRE WHICH IS A WALKING DISTANCE FROM MY PLACE. I AM NOW SINGLE AND HAVING SEEN THE WAYS OF THE WORLD, MY MIND IS TURNING TO THE SPIRITUAL WORLD AND WHENEVER I COME OR MY FRIENDS BRING ME TO THE CENTRE I ALWAYS FEEL DRAWN TO THE TEACHINGS BUT I AM YET UNSETTLED DUE TO SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE.
PLEASE ADVISE ME ON THE ABOVE MATTER SO I CAN TAKE THE RIGHT PATH. AWAITING YOUR CORRECT ANSWER WITH BABA’S BLESSINGS.
OM SHANTI, KUMAR
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By editor, February 16, 2009 @ 8:33 pm
Kumar, it sounds to me that you are naturally a spiritual person. The Bks do have a spiritual appeal. But there is also a lot wrong with the organisation as a political entity – who knows who, who gets privileges, who gets to sleep in class! But they are certainly not the owners of all things spiritual and if you read texts from other religions such as Buddhism you can see that the so-called BK philosophy is definitely not unique as they claim.
My recommendation is that you pursue your spiritual life away from the BK elitism and weird dogmas. There is a great deal of knowledge and information available to you in the bigger world.
The BKWSU predicted the end of the world in 1950 and 1976. They have a history of trying to contain people in their ranks through fear. They have a history of being wrong and covering up. Don’t fall for it.
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By roshni, March 22, 2009 @ 12:45 am
hi, roshni here , still recovering from d mental torture after choosing dis way . house has become like hell, where in my mother behaves like as though some devil spirit has come thro her , n talks very peculiarly, do u people tell dat this is also one of d way baba plays!! feel very disgusted with life.Facing life like dis from many days.
I only feel dat dis is all poisonous ideas dat a very intelligent people can do. what is d diff btw devil n god, something which has bad or good power right.Why do God wan 2 make people believe in him tro dis kind of act.
When I came into dis gyan used to have some visions ,liked to be lonely. But now feel like ending my life with no peace.
PLEASE TAKE ACTION AGAINST PEOPLE OF THIPPASANDRA CENTRE ,VIGNANA NAGAR, BLORE, INDIA , WITH NO HUMANITY , N CUNNING MIND R INTO SPREADING DIS GYAN.
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Rajib Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Roshniji
You are complaining against a particular center,but as editor suggested throught the world the BK centres are more or less same.I am a vistim of deceit,manipulation by 2 sisters of Maligaon centre,Assam.They played all the tricks on their cards just to empty my pocket.The senior sister BK Medhawati is psychiatric,the junior is a compulsive flirt showing signs of HPD.They are always on the hunt for young rich males just to keep their coffers(actualy tyag & tapasya in BK language)running.I was mentally and emotionally tortured for the period 2005-2009.The real thing is that they devise gameplan,which took me 5yrs to understand.Once I got the scent and objected to their whims and fancies they ditched me,severed all contacts.So instead seeking justice,JUST GET OUT FROM THE BKS,USE STRONG WORDS.OTHERWISE you will be maimed mentally for life.
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By davinder goyal, April 25, 2009 @ 11:39 am
Sir, I have one known Babli who is my friend’s sister. I met him at the centre. She become so ill even if I hint to her, she could throw me out of the centre. They are just the centre, it is increasing. They are telling people to repeat the Cycle after 5000 years. Yes, they are exploiting people to keep them in day dreaming. They are building their organisation by exploiting the children.
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By Rb, February 17, 2010 @ 2:30 am
You are doing a good job,,In India this cult is increasing by leaps and bound ,,,
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By D P S CHAUHAN, February 20, 2010 @ 1:18 am
Thank u for
D P S Chauhan
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By Rajib, March 12, 2010 @ 10:24 am
suppression of desires cannot lead to freedom similarly suppression of anger cannot make u more loveful.The BK philosophy teaches suppression of all vices,again the behaviour of these group of people has enough evidences of irresponsibility and escapist tendencies when faced in a situation.Nowhere the BK teaches HOW TO GET OUT OF VICES,only time and again it is said to be free of vices.The uniqueness of its philosophy lies that nowhere in India does the organisation stand for social work,they are busy spreading the message of their GOD coming to earth and some of ridiculious theories said to be given by GOD himself.This very theme lies behind their seminar, workshop,meetings and all,though remain concealed.Once they find someone interested in their works,he is handed the 7days course and then indoctrinated.All spiritual organisation address to the needs of the society in someway,but the BKs aim as mentioned above is to fill up the ranks and make it 900000 souls.The more one individual BK fills the ranks,the more ascendency one gets in the next birth as kings and queens in the next age,what they called satyug.Isnt this very act selfish?All the love and whatever they teaches is to make an individual, BK,so that in the next birth he/she will have a higher position in the society.If someone dont believe all this,try it out in any BK centre,the actual cause of all those propaganda via meetings and all is to sell their philosophy and earn a position in the next birth.SPIRITUALITY CANNOT BE SELFISHNESS,and as vivekananda says spirituality is refining the intellect through awareness and logical reasoning,NOTHING LIKE SOME ABSURD PHILOSOPHIES.
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By Rajib, March 12, 2010 @ 10:27 am
The behavior of BK which seems hypocracy,cunningness and false hood is because of their agenda of filling 900000souls and acendency in social strata in the next birth in SATYUG.This is the reason why BK act without accountability,irresponsibility etc,because they are not here to make people free from stresses,tension and depression,the modern ails of the society.They only gather these hapless people for their own selfish aim of becoming kings and queens!If somebody feels it hard to buy their theory,they blame it on the prevailing time ie kalyug where these modern ills are bound to happen!So simply saying THEY ARE NOT HERE FOR OTHERS,the BKS are here to fulfill their own ambitions.So dont get fooled by their smile and innocence,love & pity,once the get their agenda fulfilled through you,you are sure to become nobody.This is prevalent in all the centres run by BRAHMAKUMARIS.One year of true BK is enough to know these provided you keep your logical reasoning right and act cautiously.
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By Rajib, March 12, 2010 @ 10:33 am
The BK are the most cunning and manipulative you will always find.The agenda in their mind is to realise their GOD coming to earth and some ridiculious theories on spirituality called gyan said to be propounded bt their GOD.In every nook and corner there will be poster hanging adressing some modern ailments aflicting the society like stress,hypertension etc.Meetings,seminars are held on these topics albeit their main agenda of recruitment to their fold.Each BK are always on the lookout for people whom they can bring to their fold,this is evident of their custom of wearing white dresses,badges and a small booklet in their pocket.If somebody shows some interest they are quick to bring him to the centre and enrolled him/her for thir 7day course.How does a BK profit by acting in this way?
The BK are out here to fill their ranks with 900000souls.The more one fill the more status one gets as kings/queens in their next birth in what they called satyug.Thus a BK acts for THEMSELVES only in a very SELFISH manner without caring for the needs of an individual whom they have enrolled.All spiritual organisation have some wefare programs for the society,but the BKs have none,because they operate from their one point agenda of arranginging new recruits for their own SELFISH INTEREST.Therefore the BK have nothig to GIVE,BUT ONLY TO TAKE.Though a new entrant may find some solace from the nurturing these people undertake but as they become old there are none who care to give a patient hearing to the problems he/she may be facing.So folks as the entire system is based on some SELFISH MOTIVES,so the system in itself seems to be like hypocracy,malacious etc….you name it! coupled with failed prophecy and ludicrous theories….you are sure to face ASHANTI not OMSHANTI!
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By Rajib, March 12, 2010 @ 10:40 am
All the quotes and the speech style of BK are very impressive.Look at BK Shivani the current mouth piece and hear her words,even Buddha will be impressed by the knowledge she provides to the public.Now the BK seems to have hired some theravada buddhist for their knowledge along with whatever they have in their own backyard they are aggressively marketing this new cocktail philosophy.Buddha took many years to get enlightened and his philosophy is based on his own experience.The BK are expert speech makers,their one point agenda is to befool the public with the knowledge cunningly procured from a mixture of buddhist philosophy and philosophy acquired from KRIYA YOGA of yuktehwar giri tradition of varanasi. But what they lack is assimilation of these high philosophy,because it requires restraint and training.The BK sisters and the organisational setup believes that the students and their adherents are to put them into practice while they can make inroads into their pockets and bank balances.
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By ashamanjunath, June 30, 2010 @ 10:59 pm
I was thinking of becoming a member of BK. But after reading the comments about the BK. I feel I am saved from the clutches of the above BK community
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By nobk, July 4, 2010 @ 2:33 am
my wife is follower of bk since 2/3 years and now my family life has been destroyed completely since then
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Escapee Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Well we feel for you because we have seen this happen many times before and it unfortunately ends in tears too often. However I have seen husbands and wives get there other half back – firstly, it was putting their foot down and making it clear to their partner the consequences of what they are doing.
Your wife wants to have her cake and eat it too – she wants the benefit of the home that you provide and to ignore your needs in order to persue her ultimately selfish BK life. She has to make a choice. But perhaps you can’t deal with that?
Maybe she will choose the BKs and leave you? You cannot remain bound in your own fear – if that is the case – of her leaving you. You will live in an emotional twilight zone that won’t end for perhaps many years if at all. You need and deserve clarity now, and so you need to get clear answers from her about what she really wants and explain clearly what you need and expect. If you have been there and done that there is only one other option. There is a guarantee that the centre she is attending will reject her if you make a nuisance of yourself. This is not the soft option. The BKs are a cult. They have sucked your wife in and trapped her in their insane ideas. You need to get her out for her own sake. If you create an association between her attending the centre and you creating a disturbance they will ban her from coming. Whenever she attends the centre, go and make a pest of yourself.Lean on your horn, bang on the centre door, hand out anti BK flyers outside the centre – find any way you can to annoy them and they will show how self centred they are but banning your wife. Depending on who you are, you may or may not be able to persue this, but as a former BK of many years I have seen it done and it does work! It is up to you to decide how far you are prepared t go to protect your family. Personally, if they stole my wife it would be game on!
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Filthy Shudra Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Dear Escapee
You say – “if they stole my wife it would be game on”.
Is your wife your possession? What about her freedom to make the mistakes that you made – you learnt from them.
When you were pukka, how would you have felt if a family member did those things?
Really – what would you have done in your intoxicated phase? – be honest. I think I would have upped and moved to another place. You?
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Escapee Reply:
July 24th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
I take your point FS but we are not talking about me. We are talking about someone who is trying to save his family and I know this works – I’ve seen it happen. However I don’t want to reduce the discussion to the lowest point and most desperate of measures. It is really about his wife taking advantage of him, pretty much exploiting him, and Nobk having to spend his life in a twilight zone. My argument is really about standing up for yourself, presenting an argument and making decisions.
I was the classic single young white male BK recruit. So there were no repercussions to consider. I am now married and I do know that if my wife was getting involved with the BKs and my wife was falling under their influence she would be having to make a choice. And I would be doing everything I could to protect my children from loss of their mother. There is nothing in it for the BKs to have my wife but their own ego as they build their kingdom – they don’t care about her, just about the pay off they are getting in their next life (as they believe). It is rightful for me to get in there and do something – there is no chance I would be sitting back and watching as the BKs destroy my marriage and family.
filthy shudra Reply:
July 25th, 2010 at 1:06 am
You have read a lot into one sentence. We do not know anything about what is happening between them. I agree with what you say – if the situation is as you presume. Nobk might care to reflect on why his wife was dissatisfied with her life that she looks to bks……
By kumaresan, October 23, 2010 @ 11:36 pm
i am kumaresan from karur in tamil nadu. last 3 month i went to b.k class regularly. now i wake up morning 4 a.m & do meditation after that attend the class. it was wonderful. my daily life was changed. i know that different in my house and office. there is lot of changes and good activity’s in my daily life. thanks to b.k.w.s.u.
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By Joel, October 24, 2010 @ 3:36 pm
Good luck and be careful! Your brief, positive experiences in no way negate past injuries and trauma to many enthusiastic BK followers as yourself.
Part of the BK story is opposition by the “anti-Party” who BKs describe as evil, in constrast with purity-loving BKs.
For some of us it took 10 years or longer to realize that the “anti-Party” had legitimate concerns, and that the “purity-loving” BKs do manipulate others for power and financial gain.
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By filthy shudra, October 26, 2010 @ 4:45 pm
Kumaresan
If you woke at 4 m and did any kind of meditation or yoga, and then went to any kind of gathering that discussed deeper aspects of life every day before work, you would find great benefit. It is your own life energy you have engaged, your own desire to improve being enacted. It comes from your own choice to invest good energy into your own life that you find “wonderful”. Actively living life is indeed wonderful.
Don’t think it is all a gift from the BKs. They have no monopoly on life enhancement. they sell you what you already have, but tie you up by confusing what is yours with what is (their) god’s.
You get what you give, be careful who and where you give to. Life enjoyed in any way is its own reward
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By A B Sagar, February 15, 2011 @ 4:49 am
Brahma kumaris will eat your life !!!
Don’t become their victim !!!
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By blind freddy, February 16, 2011 @ 6:31 pm
Destruction! you’ve gotta love that word…sort of happening now isnt it? quite amazing really, the (seeming)end of the world and all that. Everyone used to wonder when will destruction begin but it seems patently clear that it already has. The bk’s are, who they say they are. keep it simple mario. i’d be pulling this website if i were u
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By filthy shudra, February 16, 2011 @ 9:47 pm
Blind Freddy,
Re: destruction
The BK’s took a profound Vedic concept – the Trimurti of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva – which describes the perpetual process of change – creation, sustenance, destruction – that occurs at (and flows through) every moment, and they bastardised it to suit the conceptions of Lekhraj and his coterie as they tried to make sense of the personal experiences they went through.
All the gyan is a reworking and mishmash of existing ideas that he picked up throughout his life as a sincere spiritual seeker, and he tried to synthesise it all to suit his mindset . That is reflected by so many BKs who have wonderful meditation experiences and then expend so much time and energy rationalising the gyan, thinking its a proprietary-owned bundled package deal……
Of course the BKs eventually hit a wall trying to be all things to all people, and the hindu emblems – steeped in implication whether taken simplistically and literally as per the BK gyan, or symbolically as per vedic metaphor – were jettisoned as bad PR the way the word “destruction” has been replaced in the public lingo with ‘transformation”.
The gyan is an ego-centric concept that places mankind at the top & centre of life, the BKs at the top & centre of mankind, the Sindhi clansmen at the top & centre of the BKs, and Lekhraj at the centre of the universe. I know lots of young children (of various ages) that see themselves as the centre of the universe too. They are also lovely, sincere and well-meaning.
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By val, July 26, 2011 @ 3:12 am
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By val, July 26, 2011 @ 3:12 am
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By dan, December 7, 2011 @ 8:20 pm
I just wanted to say that I go to the BK center for practical spirituality in providence, you cant assume that the entire religion is messed up just because of several incidences …. there thet just teach trying to be in touch with spirituality loving everyone forgiving everyone and being a good person, nobody asks you to be celebate, i was vegetarian before I found them but they teach that humans are equal to animals, and they teach that they are not a religions and that all religions are a link to God … with everything there is some good and bad and this is a website devoted to the bad
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By bkws4685, December 13, 2011 @ 6:24 pm
Dan,
there is a big difference between what they tell newcomers or outsiders and what they really believe.
Of course they are a religion. They are an End of the World cult based on spirit possession. They are a religion which tells people it is not a religion in order to slip under people’s defences.
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By pooja, December 20, 2011 @ 5:33 pm
Want to become a Brahma Kumari Kindly let e know the procedure also the creteria to become one. Are there any charges to be paid if want to Stay at the Mount Abu Ashram for the entire life…. to do Seva ………
Kindly let me know the details as soon as possible..
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By yobitch, December 27, 2011 @ 1:32 am
yo filth, your sister says hi.
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By john payne, January 3, 2012 @ 8:53 pm
I’m pleased to have found this information. I had no idea that there was any controversy, having just been aware that the BK’s have a place in Oxford, and put out attractive publicity.
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By nijinsky, January 7, 2012 @ 11:14 pm
you can argue, attack, ridicule and justify all you like ol’ shuds, but lets face it, you’re a s#!t dancer, and after all, thats all that really matters
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By N154, February 21, 2012 @ 5:20 pm
Can anyone help us?
My brother and his wife are brained washed with the BK way of thinking (utter madness) so much so that they think the world ends at the end of this year, so my brother has given up everything he owns and gone to India..(Very Stupid I know), he thinks he’s right, the Bk’s are right and everything else is wrong…he gave up paying his bills as well, gave up his business, owes loads of money and thrown everything out onto the streets for anyone to take (drastic..! I know..total madness,i know)
When your at your lowest, (i assume that’s where they were, otherwise how does this explain his actions) you either get back up, dust yourself off and get help, or you turn to spirituality, and unfortunately BK’s prey on people like that from what i have been reading. Then your really F**ked
We only found out about his problems and his mental state just before they went to India.. because I tracked his friend’s number down and called him.. he told us the shocking stuff about him giving everything he owns away..i mean everything… hes left nothing.. and we are so upset but scared for the kids, he has 2 kids, they took along.
Does anyone know of an organization that can help sort out brainwashed idiots, my brother who will return to the UK soon because he didn’t plan his trip properly or otherwise he would have known he cant live in the bk center in Delhi or Mount Abu until the world ends…so even though he is delaying his return he will eventually return… we need help, he needs a wake up call but who do we contact for help or advise…
We need to take the kids off them but how, without it getting nasty?? How do we make them see some sense, this is not a ideal environment for the kids to be in?
Any advise is welcome. We are worried sick as we need to act now as a family for the kids sake.
How did the BK’s get so big and why are they allowed to do this to people..
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bkwsuwatch Reply:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 am
Hey N154. I have not been paying attention for a long time due to other commitments – but I’m back.
Okay, it’s been a long time since your post and I’m hoping things have started to make some sense. A very tragic situation. Hopefully the failure of his idea to go to India has helped him realise the insanity of his beliefs!
Unfortunately that can really spin people out – the confusion of deeply believing something and then realising it is all wrong. Please keep us posted!
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Filthy Shudra Reply:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 pm
N154
The BKs are very experienced in convincing people that any specific failure of an anticipated world destruction to eventuate was their own false expectation, that their “baba” did not set a specific date, yet they never do or say anything to disabuse people of such beliefs, They will merely encourage them to put it off to a more general “in a few years” or “it could happen anytime.’ When they sold everything – what did they do with any money
Objective research into how the BK teachings have changed shows that they previously predicted very specific dates but as each of these failed to eventuate, they finally learned to merely take advantage of people’s general morbidity and insecurities, latch into and stoke whatever current fear is around – e.g. the cold war, nuclear arms race, natural calamities, planetary alignments, Y2K bug, climate change, etc – the end of the mayan long cycle calendar was just another of these sensationalist fads.
If this specific failure is not enough to make him & his wife get out of the BKs and they end up “refining” beliefs to be “in a few years” type of mentality, they could probably stay a BK for many years to come.
Diversion (to engage in other activities and company) will be a better strategy than direct confrontation or debate (which makes such people defensive and protective of their choices) i.e no-one can be told they’ve made a mistake, they usually need to realise it themselves.
Don’t ask “why did you do that?” or How could you?” – better to say “Hey let’s go do this together” or “I’m volunteering at the kids’ sports club (or whatever), want to join me” ? etc -> forward looking positives that engage them in satisfying tasks. Door-opening opportunities, not door-slamming “accusations”. They may say No a lot, but eventually even they’ll see the pattern (one hopes)
There are counsellors and therapists who do deal with “cult” – damaged people, but that may need to await their choice to do that – gentler strategies like therapists who deal with general anxiety, grief, family groups, may be more acceptable to them initially (there is a lot of that in today’s world and may be a cause of your brother’s symptoms).
Then assisting to get them re-established – helping them navigate the social security system, job seeking, ensuring the kids have a good home, school and social environment (I wouldn’t try to take the kids away unless they were in danger) – letting them see for themselves who are givers and who are takers.
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By Geeta, February 25, 2012 @ 10:41 pm
Om Shanti. Please add me to your mailing list.
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By Amita, September 8, 2012 @ 6:21 pm
I have been a BK for past 20 years. Seeing this website, I really feel lot of mercy for all of you. Really!
First, from my personal experience it is true that God Himself has established this BK institution.
Also, there are many other significant reasons behind the principles of BKs, which are done as per the Directions of the Supreme.
I have had many powerful, personal experiences with God and in Angelic stage with Brahma Baba too.
All the teachings of the Supreme has relevance to the problems in the world.
The important factor is Soul conscious stage, Remembrance of Supreme.
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By anti bks, September 23, 2012 @ 5:28 pm
hey thanku 4 maintaining this site
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By Filthy Shudra, January 2, 2013 @ 9:19 am
Good to see the RSS feed fixed up – I have received no notifications for ages. Seems people still finding this site. Good.
I can tell you all, new BKs and fringe BKs that the BK inner circle are going through a bit of an identity crisis – they know their teachings and predictions are needing constant revising now as the years go by. One has even said she felt the whole organisation may “dissolve” eventually.
I don’t think so. I think they are trying to escape their past and morph into a “universal” religion with open-ended teachings, less defined by its original teachings (which distinguished it from other groups). Otherwise they’ll have to look for real jobs!
Good to have you back BKSWU Watch.
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By Nita, February 10, 2013 @ 7:50 pm
For last 15 yrs ever since they pushed me out of their cult, they haven’t stopped watching me 24/7, made me resign my job, friends, life, spirit, mind, lost money (£15K plus), in fact am not allowed to live a life and am not allowed to think, can only do what ‘they’ allow, even to this day. Abuse continues 24/7 in the form of pains, abuse in head, accidents minor and major (survived serious car accident) etc etc etc.
They still not leaving me alone and continuing to control my life inside and out.
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Filthy Shudra Reply:
March 11th, 2013 at 12:29 am
If you feel you need help to break free from their influence maybe you should seek professional help. Ask your doctor where you might go or other suggestions. Are there counsellors, a family member you can trust, an old school friend you can turn to….? What country are you in?
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